I had used a PDA Bible program to set up bookmarks for the Scripture readings during worship. I tried this with Mantis using last Sunday's bulletin and have a couple of suggestions:

1) Let the user set the order of the bookmarks. Default to the order of entry with the option to modify it. It appears that Mantis sorts the bookmarks in Scripture order.

2) While in bookmark mode have the up and down arrows move from bookmark to bookmark instead to the previous or next chapter.

Thanks.

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1) Let the user set the order of the bookmarks. Default to the order of entry with the option to modify it. It appears that Mantis sorts the bookmarks in Scripture order.
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This is in the works, but I'm not sure if it'll make 2.0.  More important to me, and this has been on the drawing board from the very beginning, it just hasn't made it to programming yet, is the ability to create and manage multiple folders.  This is huge for me, personally, as I take sermon notes, participate in a men's Bible Study, prepare Awana lessons, etc.  So the bookmark feature is nowhere near done as far as I'm concerned.

Once we allow you to do your own bookmark sorting, we'll let you drag to sort them.  But again, this might be in 2.1 and not in 2.0 -- I just don't know yet.

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2) While in bookmark mode have the up and down arrows move from bookmark to bookmark instead to the previous or next chapter.

Thanks.

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No -- thank YOU!  I like this.  I like this a lot.  I just have to figure out how to make it clear to the user what's going to happen and when.  I don't think I can use the arrows, because the user's used to them navigating chapters.  But maybe we can have an alternate navigation system somewhere that'll go bookmark-to-bookmark, note-to-note, or even search-hit-to-search-hit.... hmmm.....

Just let me know if you need a beta-tester.

It looks like this did not make 3.0.1.

No, ordering of bookmarks was pushed down a bit in priority, as getting bookmark folders out (and, frankly, done correctly) was a lot more difficult than first thought.  A toggle for sorting in scripture order or entry date/time is pretty easy, though.  I'll see if we can slip that into 3.1.0 (due about a week or two after 3.0.1 was released).

Incidentally, nobody has commented yet on our bookmark folder interface decision(s) yet, so I'm taking that as a good thing :)

Basically, our choice was to not give the user a folder choice when creating a bookmark (like the way it works in Mobile Safari.)  Instead, you create or select the current folder, then all newly created bookmarks go there. 

Here's why:  when I'm sitting in a sermon or a Bible study, I want to collect bookmarks for that session.  I don't want to be asked "where should I put this bookmark?" every time I create one.  That would distract me from the sermon (or study.)  You can always go move the bookmarks to a different folder later, but I find it much quicker and less distracting to just choose a folder first, then start collecting bookmarks.  This even works well for preparing lessons or studying.

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No, ordering of bookmarks was pushed down a bit in priority, as getting bookmark folders out (and, frankly, done correctly) was a lot more difficult than first thought.  A toggle for sorting in scripture order or entry date/time is pretty easy, though.  I'll see if we can slip that into 3.1.0 (due about a week or two after 3.0.1 was released).

Incidentally, nobody has commented yet on our bookmark folder interface decision(s) yet, so I'm taking that as a good thing :)

Basically, our choice was to not give the user a folder choice when creating a bookmark (like the way it works in Mobile Safari.)  Instead, you create or select the current folder, then all newly created bookmarks go there. 

Here's why:  when I'm sitting in a sermon or a Bible study, I want to collect bookmarks for that session.  I don't want to be asked "where should I put this bookmark?" every time I create one.  That would distract me from the sermon (or study.)  You can always go move the bookmarks to a different folder later, but I find it much quicker and less distracting to just choose a folder first, then start collecting bookmarks.  This even works well for preparing lessons or studying.

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I really like the way the folders are. I didn't realize right away, but it didn't take long before I realized what I could do with them. I made a folder for books where I'll be making a subfolder for each book of the Bible. Then I can easily find bookmarks for any book. Then another folder at the top level is for topics. In that folder I make subfolders for various tipical studies. I also put similar topical folders nested inside the books folder for topics within the book.

I like the idea of navigating from book mark to bookmark, but mostly you are moving in the right direction. A stand alone Mac version where major resorting, cutting, pasting, etc could be done would solve a lot of problems of this sort.